Doug Kass, CNBC, and the Dog Whisperer

Doug Kass got a prime spot on CNBC yesterday, just after the market opening.  That is good for the mass audience, but many of us had to use TIVO and watch later.

Like many who read his popular feature, The Edge, on TheStreet.com ‘s premium site, Street Insight, I am a fan.  His columns are full of thoughtful lists of things that might happen, observations about news, a few rumors from his well-placed sources, and some interesting and timely trading calls.  As they say, "What’s not to like?"

When I watched the recorded CNBC segment I was disappointed that they gave Doug so little time, and also that Mark Haines did not do his normal interview.  We got an abbreviated version of why the economy and stock market are about to collapse.  There was not much challenge from Mark and Erin Burnett and little time to elaborate the basic thesis.

I was reminded of The Dog Whisperer, the wonderful show on National Geographic TV where Cesar Millan steps into difficult situations and straightens them out.  At some crucial point, Cesar always does something impossibly clever and dangerous with a dog.  A little warning flashes up on the screen suggesting that you might not want to try this at home!

I suspect that Doug Kass needs a similar warning.  He may be sufficiently adept to trade against his short position, but my guess is that the average investor, or the relatively inexperienced hedge fund managers who follow him, will have trouble following his lead.  If you like him, you should just invest with him.

Here is my concern with the Kass message.  I do not think that he has edge by being contrarian on the economy.  He has forecasts about the consumer and the housing market.  Since he cannot figure out where the next push will be in the economy, his logical conclusion is a recession and a stock market collapse.  Compare this with the results of the latest WSJ poll of economists.

There are thirty economists here with pretty good credentials, not incidentally including the formal study of economics.  The comments quoted show that they are looking at the same evidence that Doug Kass sees.  They just draw different conclusions, seeing some slowing of housing and the economy.  In fact, the slowing is to a slightly below trend level, just what the Fed is seeking.

Doug seems to think that normal economic growth requires "stimuli" (although he never defines that).  Why?  In addition, he has been maintaining that the economy lacked "stimuli" since the Fed started raising rates from 1%.  If he does not think that a Fed funds rate below the rate of inflation and a federal budget deficit constitute stimuli, then he lacks credibility as a pundit on the economy.

I believe that many young hedge fund managers closely follow Doug Kass.  It is possible that many individual investors do as well.  They are selling their long positions, but they do not have his skill at using "long rentals" to buy the rallies.

Being a fund manager requires method and courage.  One must have confidence, yet always accept the evidence that a decision might be wrong.  The current crop of hedge fund managers is heavy on the confidence and light on the error-checking.

It is fine to be confident, but the Old Prof comes from a different intellectual tradition.  Here at "A Dash" we try to discover the best in all sources.  The hedge fund guys writing at Cramer’s site (including Cramer) all think that they know more about running a company than the top executives.  They are happy to tell them (in writing, not face-to-face) exactly what needs to be done.  They know more about measuring inflation than top government and university economists who have spent careers studying the subject.  They know more about labor economics by reading a journalist’s piece in the New York Times, than do the leading experts in the field.  And they know more about forecasting the economy than the WSJ panel.

It is only human to dismiss the need for knowledge that one does not have.  A couple of the younger writers on TheStreet.com, not as savvy or informative as Doug Kass, have recently been critical of the Fed.  One called them "confused."  The other said the members were incompetent and were now "led by a professor."  Well that one really stung!!

I have read everything written by those two contributors.  If they actually were sitting in the roomFed_room
with the Open Market Committee and the staff, they might learn a great deal.  My guess is that they would be unable to speak a single word.  Since so many of those controlling the hot money dismiss all of the real experts, there is a wonderful opportunity to be contrarian by listening to those who know what they are doing.

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Doug Kass, CNBC, and the Dog Whisperer

Doug Kass got a prime spot on CNBC yesterday, just after the market opening.  That is good for the mass audience, but many of us had to use TIVO and watch later.

Like many who read his popular feature, The Edge, on TheStreet.com ‘s premium site, Street Insight, I am a fan.  His columns are full of thoughtful lists of things that might happen, observations about news, a few rumors from his well-placed sources, and some interesting and timely trading calls.  As they say, "What’s not to like?"

When I watched the recorded CNBC segment I was disappointed that they gave Doug so little time, and also that Mark Haines did not do his normal interview.  We got an abbreviated version of why the economy and stock market are about to collapse.  There was not much challenge from Mark and Erin Burnett and little time to elaborate the basic thesis.

I was reminded of The Dog Whisperer, the wonderful show on National Geographic TV where Cesar Millan steps into difficult situations and straightens them out.  At some crucial point, Cesar always does something impossibly clever and dangerous with a dog.  A little warning flashes up on the screen suggesting that you might not want to try this at home!

I suspect that Doug Kass needs a similar warning.  He may be sufficiently adept to trade against his short position, but my guess is that the average investor, or the relatively inexperienced hedge fund managers who follow him, will have trouble following his lead.  If you like him, you should just invest with him.

Here is my concern with the Kass message.  I do not think that he has edge by being contrarian on the economy.  He has forecasts about the consumer and the housing market.  Since he cannot figure out where the next push will be in the economy, his logical conclusion is a recession and a stock market collapse.  Compare this with the results of the latest WSJ poll of economists.

There are thirty economists here with pretty good credentials, not incidentally including the formal study of economics.  The comments quoted show that they are looking at the same evidence that Doug Kass sees.  They just draw different conclusions, seeing some slowing of housing and the economy.  In fact, the slowing is to a slightly below trend level, just what the Fed is seeking.

Doug seems to think that normal economic growth requires "stimuli" (although he never defines that).  Why?  In addition, he has been maintaining that the economy lacked "stimuli" since the Fed started raising rates from 1%.  If he does not think that a Fed funds rate below the rate of inflation and a federal budget deficit constitute stimuli, then he lacks credibility as a pundit on the economy.

I believe that many young hedge fund managers closely follow Doug Kass.  It is possible that many individual investors do as well.  They are selling their long positions, but they do not have his skill at using "long rentals" to buy the rallies.

Being a fund manager requires method and courage.  One must have confidence, yet always accept the evidence that a decision might be wrong.  The current crop of hedge fund managers is heavy on the confidence and light on the error-checking.

It is fine to be confident, but the Old Prof comes from a different intellectual tradition.  Here at "A Dash" we try to discover the best in all sources.  The hedge fund guys writing at Cramer’s site (including Cramer) all think that they know more about running a company than the top executives.  They are happy to tell them (in writing, not face-to-face) exactly what needs to be done.  They know more about measuring inflation than top government and university economists who have spent careers studying the subject.  They know more about labor economics by reading a journalist’s piece in the New York Times, than do the leading experts in the field.  And they know more about forecasting the economy than the WSJ panel.

It is only human to dismiss the need for knowledge that one does not have.  A couple of the younger writers on TheStreet.com, not as savvy or informative as Doug Kass, have recently been critical of the Fed.  One called them "confused."  The other said the members were incompetent and were now "led by a professor."  Well that one really stung!!

I have read everything written by those two contributors.  If they actually were sitting in the roomFed_room
with the Open Market Committee and the staff, they might learn a great deal.  My guess is that they would be unable to speak a single word.  Since so many of those controlling the hot money dismiss all of the real experts, there is a wonderful opportunity to be contrarian by listening to those who know what they are doing.

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4 comments

  • Doug Kass August 15, 2006  

    Jeff,
    Its always hard to condense one’s complex view of the world economies and investment strategy in a three minute soundbite on CNBC!
    That said, Street Insight offers my thoughts in a more detailed manner.
    Thanks for the nice write up,
    Doug Kass
    Seabreeze Partners

  • oldprof August 15, 2006  

    Hi Doug,
    Thanks for stopping by. You must have been as frustrated as your listeners by the short time, but it is still nice to (again) be a featured guest.
    I read the elaboration of your views on Street Insight first thing yesterday. [For those who are not subscribers to this service, Doug manages to write a daily diary of ideas, on-the-fly, while trading. He begins each day with a more reflective piece, often pulling together various loose threads.]
    Yesterday’s opening commentary explained several points more clearly (at least for me) than some of the past discussions. I know that you constantly reexamine each element of your view, and this makes it easier for the rest of us to follow your reasoning. Then, as you would expect and encourage, we have to make up our own minds!

  • Erick Stratton March 1, 2007  

    Jeff,
    Great article on Doug Kass. What has his historical annual returns been over the past 5-10 years?
    All best,
    Erick

  • Chris Smith April 17, 2007  

    Jeff:
    Doug Kass has now been on the “wrong side” of the “recession trade” since at least August of 2006. He has obviously had to trade AROUND his position….if not take it off the table completely at sometime between August of 2006 and February of 2007.
    It is now April of 2007 and he is singing the same song he sang back in August of 2006. Certainly we are a lot closer to AT LEAST a correction…….but again, he is….at least so far, on the wrong side of the trade again. Technically the market is setting up in a POSSIBLE broadening top….with important resistance levels coming up (which will be new all time highs for many of the indexes except the NAZ).
    From a TECHNICAL standpoint it looks like we will soon have another correction (I actually expect it to start later this week), but the economy STILL LOOKS stronger than the picture that Doug paints.
    The Economic Cycle Research Institute (businesscycle.com) are the “experts” with the economy……I follow them closely. No recession in sight yet. I think I will go wih their call rather than Doug’s on the economy.
    Chris Smith